{Fiasco: A complete, often ridiculous, embarrassing failure or disaster. It typically refers to an event or ambitious project that goes horribly wrong and completely fails to meet expectations.}
Yes, I said fiasco, because that is what this is. Look, I’ve been reading science fiction almost my entire life. I actually pretended to be sick so I could skip school to watch the original moon landings. I would dearly love to see people back on the moon. But even considering all of that I am also a realist and this whole moon landing scam that NASA is pushing is… Well let’s take a look at it in detail, shall we?
There’s been a lot of hype and, frankly, a lot of 100% pure bullshit being spouted by NASA’s proposed landing of human beings on the moon again. NASA is now claiming that the much delayed moon landing is going to take place in early 2028.
Yeah. Sure it is. The chances of that happening are about the same as me winning one of those billion dollar lotteries which I would never buy a ticket for in the first place.
This whole moon landing fiasco is now years past it’s original launch date and of billions of dollars over budget and while the SLS and Orion ship have flown, we’re probably at least 5 years away from NASA actually being able to pull off a moon landing. They sure as hell aren’t going to be able to do it in something like 18 months. Especially after Blue Origin’s “New Glenn” rocket lit up the whole space coast in Florida with one of the most spectacular explosions seen in decades, taking out not only the rocket itself but its transporter and most of the launch facility. And the New Glenn rocket is (or was) an essential part of this plan to put people back on the moon.
And as for plan itself, it is so bizarrely, hilariously complicated it would have made Rube Goldberg proud. A plan that’s so ridiculously nonsensical that one might even claim, with some justification, that it was more about finding a way to flood private companies with taxpayer money than it ever was about actually landing on the moon.
This plan depends on SpaceX to get specially designed variants of its Starship developed, including a human rated lander. Maybe. It depends on Blue Origin (and SpaceX too, maybe?) to develop landing craft. Maybe. It depends on in orbit refueling of ships. Maybe. It depends on dozens of other private vendors being able to deliver promised equipment, almost none of which is actually in existence except as computer models.
Did you see all of those “maybes” up there? That’s part of the problem. Nobody seems to know for sure who is going to do what or how or why. Both Blue Origin and SpaceX are supposed to be developing some kind of lander either to carry humans down to the surface or at least cargo. Maybe. SpaceX is maybe going to be using Starship to deliver cargo to the lunar surface. Maybe. SpaceX is maybe going to be using another variant of Starship as a tanker to do in-flight refueling of other space vehicles. Maybe.
SpaceX? It hasn’t even managed to pull off a completely successful test of it’s basic Starship. It doesn’t even have one that’s done a full orbit, for heaven’s sake. The last launch looked promising with the new Type 3 ship and booster, but that had issues so serious that the FAA has put a hold on any new launches. And even if that particular ship is successful, it’s not the one that would be used for the lunar program. That would require an entirely different variant of the starship. The variant of Starship that is currently being built and is in testing has nothing to do with the lunar mission. It is one that has a single, specific purpose, to deliver huge numbers of Starlink satellites into orbit.
But at least we know that SpaceX can move fast. And once it’s new Gigabay production facility is up and running in Texas it can crank out its heavy lift booster and Starships in a fraction of the time it can now. But even so, to come up with an entirely new variant of the Starship, put it through testing and several launches to make sure it actually works? Build one rated to carry human beings? In less than 18 months? Sorry. No. Isn’t going to happen.
Then there’s Blue Origin. SpaceX has the infrastructure to crank out boosters and starships in an astonishingly short period of time at least. Blue Origin doesn’t.
It’s New Glenn rocket was supposed to be the launch platform for the Blue Moon Mark I and Mark II landers which were supposed to deliver cargo and eventually also land humans on the moon. (Maybe) And while the New Glenn launch platform has worked, you have ot remember that one out of the three previous flights failed to deliver its payload to orbit and now this one blew up on the pad taking most of the launch site with it.
Then there’s NASA’s SLS, made out of cobbled together parts left over from the shuttle program, including 40 year old space shuttle engines they found in a warehouse somewhere, and that has been plagued with hydrogen leaks, and a Orion space craft which has a highly questionable and potentially dangerous heat shield, thruster problems and non-working interior plumbing.
And then there’s the cost. I don’t really know what the dollar amounts are going to be to cover the costs of SpaceX and Blue Origin for their part in all of this but you can be damn sure it isn’t going to be cheap. But I do know what the SLS is going to cost and it is going to be mind bogglingly expensive. You ready for this? Hold onto your shorts.
NASA’s own inspector general is stating that the first four Artemis missions are going to cost $4.1 billion per launch.
That is not a typo. Four point one billion dollars per launch.
And as I said that number doesn’t include the costs from the required equipment and launches from SpaceX and/or Blue Origin according to the information I have.
Then there is the one question that no one seems to be asking for some reason.
Why?
Seriously. Why? Why do we want to put people on the moon again? Ignore all of that bullshit about somehow mining ice to create rocket fuel to launch Mars missions and all of that guff because it is exactly what I said it was, bullshit. It is not going to happen. Period.
Ignore the bullshit about mining the moon for exotic minerals or other nonsense like that. That is also exactly what I called it. Bullshit. There are no exceedingly rare, exotic minerals on the moon to be mined in the first place. None. Zilch. Zero. If you believe there are, please tell me what rare minerals are worth about $20,000,000 per pound? Because that’s about how much it would cost to retrieve material from the moon, about twenty million dollars per pound.
NASA is planning on an eventual 25 missions to the moon. At current prices, that would work out to about $100 billion.
Let’s look at this a bit differently, shall we? $100 billion would be enough money to build a basic house for every single homeless person in the entire country. Seriously. Run the numbers yourself if you don’t believe me.
There are about 770,000 homeless persons in the US according to the most reliable numbers I can find. A basic, small, 1 bedroom house can be built for about $100,000. We could literally build a basic 1 bedroom home for every single homeless person in the country for less than the total cost of NASA’s moon landing program.
So someone please explain this to me?
You are spot on….it is a colossal waste of money with no return….but someone keeps pumping the government with bullshit and the money keeps flowing….pathetic chuq
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This whole program has been so badly mismanaged and so full of corruption that it should have triggered a massive investigation. But then so should the Pentagon budget for that matter.
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Almost all programs from this WH should be investigated….all are ripe with corruption. chuq
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I TOTALLY and FULLY agree with you. Even if it were possible, the whole project is nothing more than a way to give to the rich and take away from the poor. Funny how that works …
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this whole plan was ridiculous on the face of it. Landers from companies that just happen to be owned by Trump’s best buddies, Musk ad Bezos? Both getting hundreds of millions of dollars out of the deal? All the bizarre details, multiple landers, in space refueling, a permanent mooon base? After billions more have been pumped into this Congress or the new president after Trump leaves office will announce that it wasn’t going to work so they’ll pull the plug and we’re going to be left with billions in taxpayer money having vanished.
And now to add insult to injury, it’s been announced that SpaceX is going to be the primary contractor for Trump’s phoney “Golden Dome” anti missile money laundering scam.
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It’s all just about money. Fleecing investors, pumping billions into private contracts. How are they ever going to sustain a base on The Moon, even if only 4 people lived in it? Resupply? Nightmare logistics. And building a base larger enough to send rockets from there to Mars? Science fiction. Just about making money, the rest is smoke and mirrors.
Best wishes, Pete.
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Exactly this! As you read through all of the agreements with private contractors plus all of the other bizarre details about this ridiculously convoluted plan, it starts to look more and more as if this was never a serious attempt to go to the moon but more about a thinly disguised program to funnel hundreds of millions into the pockets of Musk and Bezos.
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Did they ever land there in the first place?
And this is coming from someone who didn’t wake up to the establishment’s lies until 2022. This moon stuff is another way for the elite to embezzle money from ordinary Americans.
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This whole Artemis program is troubling for a lot of reasons. It is indicative of the lack of true leadership both in the administration and in NASA. There’s no real plan here. Their goals seem to change dramatically with almost every press conference they have. This whole plan is ridiculously, even hilariously over complicated. If you look at all of the things involved, all of the companies they’ve dragged into this, all of the different systems, made by different companies, would need to coordinate with one another? This looks like a plan crafted by a three year old.
I keep thinking that this whole thing was nothing more than a lame PR stunt by the WH and Congress to draw attention away from the never ending scandals.
Most damning of all is that no one, and I mean no one, has yet explained adequately why in the world we need to go back to the moon in the first place. They wax poetic about using it as a base for future exploration and all that. Anyone with half a brain knows that’s complete BS. Mining ice on the moon to crack for fuel for rockets, building complete launch facilities, maintaining a manned base over a period of years… It isn’t going to happen. Period. There’s no way in hell Congress, despite what a bunch of drunken fools they seem to be most days, would spend that kind of money.
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